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Le Havre Initial Thoughts

Got my copy of Le Havre this week and got a (3 player) game in today. Overall I like it, but it’s too early to differentiate “Good” from something better. It depends on how many paths there are to scoring. I can’t argue against efficiency games. I did like how most of my actions felt like there were several reasonable choices. Perhaps I’m not evaluating correctly, but in Agricola it felt like most plays had an obvious best one (even in my first few games). So, generally upbeat.


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December 13, 2008 at 8:22 pm

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  1. I like it too, but its pretty long, and the marketplace is of huge importance. (And player 1 can guarantee that they get it on the first turn).

    It certainly differs from Agricola in that in Agricola, ignoring food means you lose, and in Le Havre, ignoring food means you magically gain money! And then have to lose 5 points later on.


    December 14, 2008 at 2:28 pm

  2. Played another game tonight. I am somewhat annoyed by the few “No really … buy/build this” buildings. (In addition to the Marketplace, the Black Market seems good. The Abbatoir generates nice income, too, but is often built). Is the Marketplace really low enough so that it’s always on top? Perhaps we should just decree it is actually building number (oh, say) 7. In any case, too early to tinker … yet.

    Still enjoying this.


    December 14, 2008 at 10:54 pm

  3. Marketplace is #1.

    In the one game I played that Black market was included in, it was able to give a person two different things a total of 2 times during the game! Thats it! (Now, its still a fine way to spend $2, but its not critical).

    I think Colliery is Critical, along with marketplace, and Wharf and Shipping Yard are great. The big scoring buildings are strong too.


    December 15, 2008 at 3:49 pm

  4. “I like it too, but its pretty long, and the marketplace is of huge importance.”

    I think it should play in an hour, with experience, and it should be less than two without, but that might just be me.

    The Marketplace, however, I’m becoming convinced is less important than I’d initially thought – though perhaps some of that is that I never remember to look at the special buildings.

    I’m up to 11 plays now, and my concerns – heightened after my experience with Agricola – haven’t come up to bite so far…

    Joe Huber

    December 15, 2008 at 4:24 pm

  5. It seems pretty strong to me so far, but Agricola is my favorite game, so that should not surprise anyone that much. I am kind of concerned about replayability. I liked to be able to play my games at least 50 games, and I am not sure if Le Havre will be as fun at 50-60 plays as Agricola was. We’ll see…


    December 15, 2008 at 5:12 pm

  6. I’m finding 90-120 minues for 3 player games (with a new player in each one). It should speed up a bit.

    As for the black market … you normally only get 2-3 goods, but if it includes Iron then it’s worth it. I did get 2x (Iron + Fish + Wood) once. It depends on whether the wood/clay spaces are all clumped. If they are, then they are more likely to be empty each turn during the lull…


    December 15, 2008 at 6:41 pm

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