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Should I buy Le Havre?

It seems like it’s my sort of thing, and I can order from Lookout games for roughly what Funagain costs.

Thoughts?

Update: OK, I went and read the rules and fired off an email to Lookout games. Assuming they still have any left …

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Written by taogaming

October 27, 2008 at 9:46 pm

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  1. The rules look good, but I’m concerned that it made barely a blip on the Fairplay chart.

    Doug Orleans

    October 27, 2008 at 10:23 pm

  2. Also, can you read Australian? Don’t you want to wait for an American English edition? 🙂

    Doug Orleans

    October 27, 2008 at 10:25 pm

  3. I’m concerned that it made barely a blip on the Fairplay chart.

    I don’t know why you say that, Doug. It finished 11th and things were pretty bunched together at that point (the seventh through eleventh games had ratings of 2.38, 2.40, 2.45, 2.48, and 2.51). Moreover, they made the rather arbitrary decision to set the cutoff point at 45 ratings. If they had used 50 ratings, as they did last year, Le Havre would have finished 7th.

    Besides, have you looked at all those buildings? Can you imagine how many choices you’ll have in your first game? I have no idea how anyone can accurately rate this game during Essen playtest conditions.

    Buy the game, Brian. Rosenberg is a top-notch designer and this looks like it’s as good as anything he’s done. You’ll hate yourself if you don’t.

    Larry Levy

    October 27, 2008 at 11:19 pm

  4. The Fairplay charts are notoriously unreliable, especially in the top ranks.

    I like Agricola, but the flaws in it are starting to bug me (mainly, that he seems to have thrown in every card he could think of, resulting in too much junk). Rosenberg is not exactly a reliable designer; for a while I would have considered him a one-hit wonder (Bohnanza), as he’s done a lot of borderline or worse games. But Mama Mia! was quite good too (even if the sequel was atrocious), and now Agricola, which is certainly fun even if it’s not a masterpiece of game design.

    All of which is just by way of saying I’m sitting on the same fence you are. I’ll probably buy it. While I doubt Agricola will stand the test of time, for the 15-20 plays I’ll get out of it, it’ll be money and time well spent. Le Havre is probably a somewhat risky but decent bet.

    Chris Farrell

    October 28, 2008 at 3:05 am

  5. I guess I should have said that Rosenberg is a top-notch designer for me. Agricola, Babel, Schnappchen-Jagd, and Bohnanza are among my all-time favorite games. Bali (very underrated), Klunker, and Mamma Mia are all very good. I even like the much maligned Bohn Hansa and Nottingham is pleasant, albeit very light. Best of all, these are all very unusual games, with unique mechanics. Rosenberg’s uneven period came when he focused on more light, party-style games. I’d assumed he was aiming more for the mass market (like Knizia), but it appears now that most of his efforts were being spent in developing these very heavy games which are just now appearing. The main reason I was such an early adapter of Agricola was my high opinion of Rosenberg’s earlier work.

    Larry Levy

    October 28, 2008 at 10:39 am

  6. I guess I should have said that Rosenberg is a top-notch designer for me. Agricola, Babel, Schnappchen-Jagd, and Bohnanza are among my all-time favorite games. Bali (very underrated), Klunker, and Mamma Mia are all very good. I even like the much maligned Bohn Hansa and Nottingham is pleasant, albeit very light. Best of all, these are all very unusual games, with unique mechanics. Rosenberg’s uneven period came when he focused on more light, party-style games. I’d assumed he was aiming more for the mass market (like Knizia), but it appears now that most of his efforts were being spent in developing these very heavy games which are just now appearing. The main reason I was such an early adapter of Agricola was my high opinion of Rosenberg’s earlier work.

    Larry Levy

    October 28, 2008 at 10:39 am

  7. If only so I get to read your detailed review of it, yeah, I think you should buy Le Havre. I won’t get to see it for at least half a year.

    jacob

    October 28, 2008 at 9:15 pm

  8. I don’t know why you say that, Doug.

    I guess I was expecting it to be top 3 given the pedigree. I only saw that it wasn’t in the top 10– I didn’t know it was that close.

    Doug Orleans

    October 29, 2008 at 12:53 am

  9. I guess I was expecting it to be top 3 given the pedigree.

    Understandable, particularly since there was a little bit of (probably deserved) pre-fair hype. I bet Hanno had some choice words for the Fairplay guys for setting the cutoff point as low as they did.

    Larry Levy

    October 29, 2008 at 12:59 am


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